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[hdlabs]

Wow, lots of tension going on.

We can still come to an event, jump our dog, get wet, get covered in "pawagraphs" and hang out telling stories at the Saturday night bbq, right?  Well, if that's still the case,.... WE'RE IN!!!!

Karen, Alex & Philo Beddoe

[MishkasPop]

Okay I have not said anything on this subject until I could clarify something and I just did so here it is. It seems that people were worried that the biggest jumping dogs (e,se) if there were only one or two dogs jumping at this level would not make it in to any finals . If this occurs and there are say six masters that make the finals and there are two elite dogs that jump in there divisions what would happen is there would be an 8 dog final but basically the two elite docks would say get first and second with where they jumped and would not be competing against the master jumpers but would just be the last docks jumping in the finals . So the best master dog would still get the first place even though the master dogs are jumping with those elite dogs. So the long and short of it is the best jumping dogs of the weekend will still be in the finals even if it is'nt 12 of them. The only thing is if the there are 7 elite dogs jumping the 7th dog would be left out of the e/se finals. I hope this clarify's this a little bit more. If not I am sure I will here it.

[labpaw]

Okay I have not said anything on this subject until I could clarify something and I just did so here it is. It seems that people were worried that the biggest jumping dogs (e,se) if there were only one or two dogs jumping at this level would not make it in to any finals . If this occurs and there are say six masters that make the finals and there are two elite dogs that jump in there divisions what would happen is there would be an 8 dog final but basically the two elite docks would say get first and second with where they jumped and would not be competing against the master jumpers but would just be the last docks jumping in the finals . So the best master dog would still get the first place even though the master dogs are jumping with those elite dogs. So the long and short of it is the best jumping dogs of the weekend will still be in the finals even if it is'nt 12 of them. The only thing is if the there are 7 elite dogs jumping the 7th dog would be left out of the e/se finals. I hope this clarify's this a little bit more. If not I am sure I will here it.

Thank you Brian, and everyone else, for trying to explain things.  You situation holds true as well. It still doesn't provide for the dog that jumps a huge jump, but not into the titled division, but one of the top jumps of the weekend, as described many times above. 

Clearly, the rule is as it stands. And those of us that it affects will have no recourse, except possibly for next year (I say that because as evidenced here, it is a majority rule, and there is no way to predict what that will be) . I find that throroughly disheartening, but will consider it when signing up for events this year.  

[HennaPeace]

Another clarification here from anyone.   I haven't been able to find any wording pertaining to this situation for a National event.  This rule is only in effect for club events right?

[hdlabs]

  I'm not in favor of her other comment about snipers at club events though.  Maybe she's just trying to get rid of all those annoying labs at club events 

Hey there, let me point out that Labs are NOT "annoying"!

They are: hyperactive, obnoxious, rambunctious, clumsy, sloppy, sweet & loveable knuckleheads, but certainly NOT annoying!

Plus, Anna LOVES Labs!  Just ask her!

[hdlabs]

Okay, so Anna may think "I'm" dimwitted  , but she doesn't think my Lab is "annoying"!

[Granitedog]

Okay, so Anna may think "I'm" dimwitted  , but she doesn't think my Lab is "annoying"!

Dont be silly Karen!!! Besides, if I said ANYTHING negative about you, my Granite would probably bite me. He has not forgotten you or those carob brownies!! We all look forward to seeing you in the summer!

I am waiting for the answer to Kristi's question. Will this also apply to national events? As the sport grows, might it be a necessity?

[Team Tasha and Harry]

HUH?  I don't even get what your point was?

In English Jim....punctuation may help....

And it's BAD when Bart has to call someone out for name calling.....

Isn't that a pot/kettle situation?

Smile folks, just think of Christen's day at work tomorrow....I feel so bad for her!  At least she gets paid to put up with us!!!

-Carly

We will just jump our dog and have fun and leave it at that.

To make myself clear.

Can someone who has a Master title jump under their title and beat out a dog and be in the Senior Final?



I would want someone who actually sat on the rules committee meeting to answer the question.

Jim the answer is no

Thanks Brian for answering that question. We like the Division finals at Club events because it gives new people a chance that are just starting out. I am not new to the sport and if I had not been busy in 2004 when they were in Norwalk we would have jumped then. We are on our second dog and undertand it is possible to end up between finals at an event and understand that is the chance that you take. Our first event it was the best of the best in the final and we were in awe of them and had no idea who was in the first year, second year or a big dog in the sport and I am sure neither the hundreds up people in attendance.

[hdlabs]

Okay, so Anna may think "I'm" dimwitted  , but she doesn't think my Lab is "annoying"!

Dont be silly Karen!!! Besides, if I said ANYTHING negative about you, my Granite would probably bite me. He has not forgotten you or those carob brownies!! We all look forward to seeing you in the summer!

I am waiting for the answer to Kristi's question. Will this also apply to national events? As the sport grows, might it be a necessity?

I will ALWAYS have brownies for Granite & Pico!    No worries there!    Lookin' forward to running into you all around a dock somewhere this season! 

Karen

By the way, I too would like to know if the "finals" rule applies to Nationals as well???  If things are supposed to be consistent.....

[christen]

After re-reading the rule 100 times, reviewing notes from the Rules Committee meeting, as well as the flip charts from the meeting (yes – I’m a dork – I kept the flip chart paper that we used at the meeting … you just never know when a crisis will arise such as this and you need them to refer to …), as well as the 11 pages of this thread ... I think I have some valid information to share ... 

Disclaimer:  The information I am about to share may conflict with old posts or former emails that were sent today.  I apologize for the miscommunication, but believe that this info is what the Rules Committee intended when making the rule change. 

Another Note:  I know that the intention of the Rules Committee was NEVER to try to keep team out of participating – there was a sincere desire during the discussion to ensure that teams were participating in the divisional finals that they have proven themselves to be capable of. 

The rule is written:  "Standings for any Club Finals should be based on the highest National or Regional title earned or the highest score from that event, whichever is greater."

I REALLLLY hope that this information helps to clarify and not to confuse any further … I believe that the Rules Committee meant to convey the following:

• A titled team cannot jump in a lower division final than they are titled.
  A titled team can jump in a higher division final than they are titled.
  A titled team can jump in their titled division IF there are vacant spaces (i.e. Elite team only jumps master and there are only two teams who did jump elite, they would get to jump in the Elite finals).

I have attached a sample bubble sheet from an actual 2008 club event with explanations as to which finals a team would qualify for.

THANK YOU Rules Committee members and fellow DockDoggers for the discussion and explanations this weekend and today.  I think that maybe the best piece of advice in the 11 pages of discussion was to “AGREE TO DISAGREE”.  None of us has an absolutely clear picture of how this may impact the teams this year until we have an opportunity to see it play out at multiple club events.  Maybe another slogan to use in this scenario is “Don’t knock it til you try it”.   

Please do not hesitate to contact me via email (christen@dockdogs.com) for further discussion on this information.

Whew … welcome to the world of DockDogs full time … aye yai yai!   

[DaisyzMom]

Yay!!!  My complaining did make a difference in the interpretation of the rule!!!

I will be more than happy to give this a shot now that it doesn't leave the top jumpers out. 

Thanks for straightening things out Christen!

[chocolatedawg]

Yay!!!  My complaining did make a difference in the interpretation of the rule!!!

I will be more than happy to give this a shot now that it doesn't leave the top jumpers out. 

Thanks for straightening things out Christen!

Yay....three cheers for Christen.

<sung in a beautiful mellow tone>

Did I ever tell you you're my he-ro,
You're everything I would like to be-ee,
And I can fly higher than an e-ea-gle,
'Cause you're the wind beneath my wings.

<reaches for tissue>

Good job, girlfriend. 

[HennaPeace]

Wow   The interpretation that you gave Christen vs. how it is written is going to be a complex one to explain to someone new (or even someone just reading the rules without that interpretation)    So...this is the 'official' DDN interpretation for the year?

What are the chances of re-writing that particular clause in the rule book for clarification purposes?

[Manager]

We ...or should I say Christen has some thoughts on a re write so the rule as it stands may possibly be interpreted  better for Club Divisional Finals...lets us...her see what she can come up with!

[Little Gunner]

Don't feel bad Anna. I've had many posts removed from this board by the Manager and Moderator's. Mostly for personal and political reasons. Yes, i am guilty of sarcasm from time to time. Of all the posts I've had removed. Only Tom Kennedy (Frodad) was courteous and professional enough to send me a pm explaining why.

Thanks Tom for taking the high road.

Bart, Gunner, and Bernie peace out